I was compelled to post this as a counter argument for the systems present in Hindus after reading the below said spots.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm
http://www.amatex-tessuti.it/Html/dalit_and_caste.htm
http://atrocitynews.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/stop-rig-veda/
http://www.british-israel.ca/hinduism.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
http://www.islamicforumonline.com/
I've gone to these sites and read the contents. These questions have been posed by the recent writers as if this question is not known to their ancestors. Long back I read these and posed the same question to several persons who could not answer and told that Rama is wrong. After a deep thinking arguing myself on both sides I came to this conclusion.1.Why cases in India? They are four. Bhagavad-Gita says that there are 3 gunas named sattva-rajas and tamas are present .As per the gunas overlapping over each other the humans have been divided into 4 sects. The last class sudras never questioned ages past that why they were devoid of thapasyas and why Rama killed their caste saint while he was calmly meditating God on a tree? Further these sudras are also the devotees of Rama. Not only Sudras the other all classes worship Rama in India. Why it was so? Again think Rama killed Brahmins saying that they are rakhshas. Ravana is a brahmin.When Rama killed ravana and all his brothers and children we can understand that all Brahmins were killed. But, Brahmin prays Rama. Why? The people of those days liked harmony and rhythm city and a good organized culture and the Brahmins also accepted to follow the Rules and conditions imposed by the emperor Rama. The percentage of Sudras are more and they are bodily very powerful than all the other castes.But, they obeyed the law and Rule. Why?
Because every body in the society was given preference and they were given some specific duties; as such sudras are expected to protect the boarder lines and all the places to keep the law and Orders. Not only the castes have been declared by Hindus-the so called Vatsayana the expert sex philosopher has divided ladies in to categories like padmini, hastini, samkhini etc.There is no dispute for that. He is first to narrate ladies like this. It seems world accepted this. Now all are dogs but in them some are ferocious and some are mild breeds. Like that you can see some people with particular surnames are very furious and readily kill any body and attack. In some area people do attack every body without reason. Their enmity among themselves is also very dangerous question why and how this 5th.caste entered. The site says that those were cross bred and left from Hindu society were kept in this class. Daliths what now we are calling. In these dalits mutually they got divided themselves into mala-madiga-girijana –boya etc.The mala person says that he is of superior caste than madiga and will not marry in madiga sect? Why? This indicates that every one of their own caste has got a special preferences.(Now they are all asking for a special quotas and privileges as they were born in that caste. Now this fight grew in Andhra Pradesh as per the publishing of some news in Andhrajyothi daily. Is it essential? All are humans all are equal then why this type of atrocity cases? Muslims invaded India. They converted several into Muslim community by force and killing several Hindus. The ladies have been captured and married by force. Those ladies were not allowed to come into Hindu community.Why?Because the children born to them will speak of Muslimism and they fight with Hindus and will kill hindus.Hence they have kept those ladies and their children away from hinduism.This is just like to control of cancer in the body. The rouge cells must be killed, if not the individual will die.So,they used this type of procedure.
The ladies also knew the consequences if a Muslim takes her with force and if children born to them what will be the fate of their children. This made several ladies to commit suicides. Self sacrifices are common in India. For one person the society should not get spoiled. So they used this as treatment. When a snake bites, to save the life the part at which the snake bite is present will be removed immediately. There were no medicines in those days. Emperors and kings were ruling the countries. The people did not know the democracy. India itself is under the Rule of several kings with several languages. The border persons who gave the information to enemies have been and their families were banned boycotted and kept in these mala and madiga castes in those days.Now,you can not argue by seeing the present society conditions and say that Hindus are bad and kept this caste system.
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- 2008-06-27 @ 12:32:47
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- 2008-07-02 @ 15:09:34
To Dear Walrus And Ramrali 19 ,
Well, let me state categorically that it's very difficult to comprehend the Absolute Truth and priciples based on them. Human intellect has its own limitations and therefore ideologies always fall short of truth .But it's our duty to find meaning in them to reach at pinnacle of perfection . We should not play with them like V.P Singh ..
Yours,
Arvind K.Pandey
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- 2008-06-28 @ 13:58:26
Dear Walrus you are correct.I know.But let's go to those days and see why this system is present in India and that too in hinduism only.
Again these castes have been divided into several sub classes of their own castes. In the good olden days the marriages among their own sub castes and classes were performed and they never gone out of their sect. As per astrology men were divided as per their birth star into 3 different personalities. 1. Godly, 2.humanly, 3.demonly. All the persons fall in these 3 categories. As per their birth stars again the persons are divided into animal groups to consider whether marriages between them will be suitable or not. The person’s nadi (probably respirations) are also taken into account. Nadis are of 3 groups-1.Adi (First), 2.madhya (middle), 3.antya (last)
Every star is having 4 foots .Aswani 4 foots=God gana -horse-first.
Satabhisham 4 foots=demon gana –horse-Adi.
Bharani 4 foots = human gana-elephent-middle
Revathi 4 foots=god gana –elephent-antya nadi.
Kruttika 4 foots= demon gana –goat-last
Pushyami 4 foots = god-goat-middle
The following are the animals, horse, elephant, goat, serpent, dog, cat, rat, cow, he-buffalo, tiger,antipole,monkey,mongoose,lion.
The animals having enmity should not get married each other. It will lead to daily quarrels and fights among the spouses. Demon and Gods also quarrel daily,humans will get adjusted with both gods and demons.
So we have to understand how deeply they have studied society and divided them.They never accepts non patriots. Society first and then individual is their policy.this is all told as the dharmas of human beings. Don’t think all Brahmins allowed into the temples and do prayers. There is a community who are expected to do prayers in temples.Through them only every body should pray accordingly.The superior classes like raja and vaisyas are also not allowed the prayers as per their own.They all depend on the community of Brahmins who know how to perform the righteous works.For different communities different Brahmins are present. For individual families different Brahmin families are called to do prayers.
These are all beliefs.The public also fear to do worship on their own accord as just a difference in pronunciation may create a big havoc as they deal with manthras in Sanskrit.If a deviation in chanting manthra occurs by Brahmin that danger goes to the Brahmin who perform these prayers and his family ruins. So ,they try hard to chant the manthra properly.As it was very difficult the other caste communities stopped chanting manthras.Some manthras are told to them by their guru and they follow their gurus.Any fault in those manthras will be born by their gurus.This is all just like mystery and belief. None of the other country and other ism people can understand Hinduism so easily. Of course every body can comment the evil in it by comparing the present conditions and society. Before doing so one has to enter in those days where the frequent invasions –daily deaths-fights quarrels peace less days were present. Fear of wild animals poisonous men and reptiles were common. Further, Men were also divided into classe as ladies were divided for sex by vatsyayana as per the size of the organs and their sex performances. That is another science world accepted.
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- 2008-07-02 @ 15:10:45
To Dear Walrus And Ramrali 19 ,
Well, let me state categorically that it's very difficult to comprehend the Absolute Truth and priciples based on them. Human intellect has its own limitations and therefore ideologies always fall short of truth .But it's our duty to find meaning in them to reach at pinnacle of perfection . We should not play with them like V.P Singh ..
Yours,
Arvind K.Pandey
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- 2008-07-03 @ 13:39:19
Dear Pandey You are absolutely correct.We should not play with them.But we must assess how these things came into existence.We can't go into those days and decide.But even then I can darely say that Hindus are not of any particular religion.Hinduism is not at all a religion.They speak try and know what is god. All every minute particle in the universe along with nouns-verbal forms and acts are all named as god.Education say saraswati goddess.start work ganapati to control obstacles in work.They know that the obstacles will come just to give streangth in doing work they created a god.They gave them a face and all other characters.No other religion says all as god or gods.As they see the world out from god.Humanity sympothy-how to respect guests all is written in Hinduism.First guest then self.Even all the family members will starve to feed guest with little food what they were possessing.This type of sacrifice is present in Hindus onlu.In other religions self is first and then others.Kill the person who will not give food to you and chance to you to live.Might is Right.Fight was the sentence they told to world.Swamy Vivekananda told hindus sacrifice their pleasures to offer food to others.Pressure to make others converted into their religions is seen in other religions,here as hindus never told others to come into their religion.With their own accord now a days they are entering;rather they are understanding the principle of hindu philosophy and becoming itroverted and doing meditation and are able to get peace of mind.
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- 2008-07-03 @ 15:38:57
Dear Ramrali19,
Your enthusiasm is terrific ! Just keep on presenting unheard perceptions .We need it more in times when talking about Hinduism is no less than a sin . Recently , Kerala government ban the literature highlighting the importance of religion . One wonders at the foolhardy of our rulers !!
Yours,
Arvind K.Pandey
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- 2008-07-06 @ 06:14:15
Dear Pandy! You are correct.What I am writing is only a logic of those days.I don't beleive in caste system in India further,I hate castes.Just I am informing all this to see that there is no equillibrium in any thing on the earth or Universe.Just we live for a while and we have to leave this earth as all did.So,when we live let's not horm others even any creature and also don't pollute the society and climate.Further I am trying to show what was in science is already in our puranas and vedas thogh they may or may not be knowing the present science.Probably it may be the intusion or power of meditation or some thing else now we can't decide.
yours friendly,
Dr.P.M.Rao.ramrali.-
- 2008-07-08 @ 15:52:17
Dear Ramrali19 ,
It's sad that a beneficial and meaningful caste system carved by our Rishis has fallen prey to the dirty politics played by the dirty minds !111
Yours ,
Arvind K. Pandey
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- 2008-07-09 @ 12:49:35
Dear friend Arvind K.Pandey- You are cent percent correct.But,for the present day this caste system is not needed.Presen education system and the previous education systems are quite different.The previous education is non materialstic and the present is materialstic.Present living is physical and our ancestors living in those days was non-physicl and with some meaning for life.They enjoyed in the God in devotion and supertecial thinking.
yours friendly,
Dr.P.M.Rao.ramrali.
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